13 Brentford Rd
1:28 Sat Aug 26
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"Southampton, a club who is the very epitome of zero ambition but great competence, do this every year"
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13 Brentford Rd
1:26 Sat Aug 26
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Reply SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:38 Sat Aug 26
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"Yes.
Reply 13 Brentford Rd 11:37 Sat Aug 26
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......also using your example Barcelona must spend all or more of the Neymar money to replace him otherwise they are not ambitious"
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13 Brentford Rd
1:24 Sat Aug 26
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So who are Barca gonna spend over 200m on to replace Neymar with and then spend even more on more players to make sure their net spend is high to prove your point that ambition is shown by net spend? How does a club like Everton replace Lakaku by spending more than 75m? How much is Barca's and Everton's net spend to date? How much is their total spend though?
Are Spurs unambitious too, as they have a negative net spend and have had that for years.
As I said it originally, it depends on circumstances and being well run.
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Willtell
1:09 Sat Aug 26
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Alex V 11:33 Sat Aug 26
>>> WH has to make a profit...
"Does it? Why?"
Because it is a company and we have never had owners that operate the club as a charity. It has never been any different except maybe in the early years of Thames Ironworks owner putting up money.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:09 Sat Aug 26
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13BR
Where is it down there in black and white? Post it up, there's a good lad. And don't forget to leave in any 'ifs', will you, or I'll just post it up again with that important word included.
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ludo21
1:08 Sat Aug 26
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Athletico Madrid
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NEVER SAY DIE
1:08 Sat Aug 26
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At the end of the day it really comes down to whether you believe the Manager is making his own decisions regarding squad building or his strings are being pulled. He has publicly stated he is more than happy with his squad aside from a DM i.e Carvalho and he has also stated that if that doesn't happen we wont sign anyone else for the position.
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13 Brentford Rd
1:06 Sat Aug 26
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It's all below in black and white.
You have debunked your own argument.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:54 Sat Aug 26
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13 Brentford Rd 12:28 Sat Aug 26
'Ha ha, Surface thinks Everton, Barcelona and Southampton are not ambitious.'
Where did I say Barcelona and Everton aren't ambitious, mate?
I realise you are floundering and looking a bit dim, but there's no reason to make stuff up.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:53 Sat Aug 26
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13 Brentford Rd 12:01 Sat Aug 26
'Surface, that is the Funniest thing I've read back on here for a while,t Southampton are not ambitious. Why do the finish above us every year, regular top 8 side nowdays who even got to a cup final but still sack their manager as they demand more.'
You're still having trouble with this whole ambition/competence thing aren't you...
And I'm not sure what sacking a manager has to do with net transfer spend, but nice attempted swerve anyway.
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Gavros
12:51 Sat Aug 26
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YOU'RE bored????
Fmob!
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Alex V
12:34 Sat Aug 26
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kirok1 12:31 Sat Aug 26
I'm bored of pointing this out on here, but that is plainly bollocks if you do look at spending totals over recent years. We are spending more, often much more, than our competitors. It is not, by any measure, peanuts. Please can we stop repeating this lie.
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kirok1
12:31 Sat Aug 26
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Pundits, by and large, see us as a low tier club that wishes merely to survive.
As such, attracting named players, even has beens and loaned names appears to be satisfactory business.
Other clubs in similar positions spend more. That's the simple fact.
If we want to be little ol' West Ham, that's fine. If that's all the ambition our owners have, so be it. But to be sold 'ambition and progress' as the reason to move grounds and everything else that's been done and then spend relative peanuts? That's a lie.
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Alex V
12:28 Sat Aug 26
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>>> Doesn't help that last season was the worst period of recruitment by any sporting club in any league EVER.
But ironically last Summer was probably the highest spend, net or total, in the club's history.
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13 Brentford Rd
12:28 Sat Aug 26
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Ha ha, Surface thinks Everton, Barcelona and Southampton are not ambitious.
Says it all.
Thanks for clearing this up.
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Sven Roeder
12:20 Sat Aug 26
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It is ambitious in that we have brought in 4 established Premier League including the England keeper and one in Hernandez that I imagine supporters of every team outside the top 6 would have been delighted to get.
The problem is that the problems of last season ... lack of creativity , lack of pace , lack of midfield control and injury prone strikers haven't been rectified.
The main problem is the lack of a strategy that recognises where we are and has a plan to get to the mythical NEXT LEVEL.
Doesn't help that last season was the worst period of recruitment by any sporting club in any league EVER.
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13 Brentford Rd
12:18 Sat Aug 26
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Agree V. Neither net or total spend is an ideal indicator but the biggest total spenders are the top sides, top sides are ambitious by default.
I said in my first post today you need to be run well and ambitious. I then followed that up by saying you have to take circumstances into account too, so I agree. Unfortunately S usual with anything I post the usual mongs lept on it without even considering it and made their own assumptions.
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Alex V
12:09 Sat Aug 26
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>>> In terms of the success of the club that's neither ambitious nor unambitious, though, is it?
It would be incredibly ambitious imo. I would applaud the club for doing it and feel pride in the great history and tradition of the club. Constantly buying in name players on the way down is the opposite of ambition imo.
Personally I don't think looking at spending figures alone is a guide to ambition. You have to interpret those according to the circumstance anyway, and really I think wages matter more than transfer fees on the whole. I can see the points of view on this and I do prefer looking at net spend as a quick indicator myself, but I wouldn't tie it solely to ambition.
If the window closed now, I think there would be serious questions asked over the low net spend, yet many pundits consider West Ham's transfers to be very ambitious this Summer. It's an odd situation.
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13 Brentford Rd
12:01 Sat Aug 26
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As usual noone bothers to properly read or think about what I am saying. Just respond sheep like to poster not post. Tedious.
PD you are a prime example.
Surface, that is the Funniest thing I've read back on here for a while,t Southampton are not ambitious. Why do the finish above us every year, regular top 8 side nowdays who even got to a cup final but still sack their manager as they demand more.
If they are not ambitious what does that make us?
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j.a
11:52 Sat Aug 26
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If you are a well run club, then you don't need a high net spend to achieve a decent level of success.
However, on our case, we aren't. Our youth system hasn't produced for far too long, and we're not great at spotting young talent and getting it cheap. So for us, we need a high net spend to stand a chance of pushing forward. 10 MIL shows a lack of ambition.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:46 Sat Aug 26
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Alex V 11:40 Sat Aug 26
In terms of the success of the club that's neither ambitious nor unambitious, though, is it?
If you can do it, it shows you have competence, not ambition.
Of course if you think the only purpose of the club is to produce youngsters to feed bigger clubs after old pervs like you have had a chance to drool over them for a couple of seasons, then it is ambitious
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